I sat down in the stadium at 8:38pm, the show did not start until 9:00pm. One of the adult killer whales did sort of a dead man’s float for twenty minutes. They were already doing this when I walked in, so it could have been longer. This seems to be a super weird behavior, she would roll over to take a breath and then roll onto her back once more. Another whale attempted to interact with her but it didn’t stop the behavior.
I also wanted to make a quick note. I watched both the 7:15 and the 9pm shows. Tilikum was not introduced or brought out for either showing. I also tried to stay after and look in the back pools, I couldn’t see him at all. The water was still and there were no other whales back there. I am not sure where he was. I’m not completely familiar with the park layout. They seemed to be avoiding him like the plague.
If you are interested in watching the video, here it is. It’s very hard to see. Enjoy the loud music!
I’m like 90% sure that is one of the whales melon bumping with another. One whale lays on her back and another floats below, in a normal position, and they bump melons. Usually for extended periods of time. It’s a recreational behavior, something they appear to do for “fun.” I’ve seen Malia and Nalani do it as well as Katina and Makaio.
This is also the second post I’ve seen calling it worrisome, and it isn’t.
Also Tilly is almost never in night shows, lately he’s been exclusively in the 5:30 show. And they aren’t hiding or avoiding him as literally every person I know that has visited the park in the last couple months as seen him in a show or a training session in UV. He does have a main pool he stays in, and judging from these photos, you weren’t able to see it from your position. He also is almost never alone lately, spending probably 90% of his time with Trua for the last six months at least.
"It’s a recreational behavior, something they appear to do for “fun.” I’ve seen Malia and Nalani do it as well as Katina and Makaio. "
That’s definitely something to be concerned about, isn’t it? Just because everyone’s doing it doesn’t make it okay. A killer whale logging for an extended period of time, whether they are upside down or right side up, is a stereotypical behavior. Stereotypical behaviors develop when an animal has inadequate stimulation and and inadequate environment. These whales had zero stimuli while I was there, were forced into the back tanks (the gates were closed) which looked small and utterly atrocious compared to any ocean, and not to mention they are forced to listen to music blasting at high enough levels to bother human ears. I’m not going to sit here and let any pro captivity supporter tell everyone lies about how great Sea world is, and how large their tanks are, and how great the whales are doing. From what I saw, SeaWorld is no better than MarineLand, or any marine park that houses cetaceans. The best part is, I saw the park and had zero interaction with trainers. Trainers tell you fluffed up, cutesy stories about why abnormal behavior is going on and you just take it without questioning it. Stupid people don’t question things.
As for Tilikum, I was only explaining that I personally didn’t see him - I never claimed to have been there the whole day, I was just hoping to see him and unfortunately I did not.
No one cares if it’s “stereotypical” that doesn’t make melon bumping wrong. If two whales stop to play with each other then they stop to do that, point blank. It’s their choice to do it, in fact these exact same whales are known for stopping shows (highly stimulating events) to perform this behaviour. If the whale likes doing it, and they do it when they want to, don’t complain as if it’s killing them when it has absolutely nothing to do with their health other then it’s the whales entertaining themselves mentally. Are they not allowed to? Is it illegal? No.
Half of these behaviours people call stereotypical are behaviours whales learned to entertain themselves when trainers aren’t around. It’s called adapting to their environment, and just because it’s not natural doesn’t mean it’s wrong.They are smart animals and they are allowed to entertain themselves are they not?
"Oh the whales are bored, beyond concerning"
No it’s not, practically every animal has the capacity to become bored, hence they entertain themselves.
And don’t call lovingorcas an idiot when you’re the one sitting their and asserting that whales entertaining themselves is wrong.
Who cares if they’re stereotypical? Who cares? The whales probably care, and people who care about the whales. Obviously not people like you. Everything you have just said doesn’t defend your position at all, it makes it even worse.
Do you even know what a stereotypy is? Have you ever read up on it? If not, here you go.
Here’s an excerpt that you should find interesting:
Stereotypies have long been thought to indicate that an animal’s environment is sub-optimal, and that the animal is suffering from a welfare problem, such as stress.
This view is based on several features of stereotypies: the contexts in which they develop; the behaviour patterns from which they arise; the factors that influence their development and subsequent performance; and the fact that some stereotypies involve self-damage. This evidence is outlined below.
The contexts of stereotypy development:
Stereotypies are often physically and temporally linked to sub-optimal features of the environment. Specifically, they develop in the following types of situation (types that are not mutually exclusive; fear may involve frustration if they animal cannot escape, and so on.)
Unavoidable stress or fear
Restraint and/or lack of stimulation
Overall, stereotypies are seen in environments that seem sub-optimal (though this must be demonstrated independently of the presence of stereotypy, to avoid circularity) They are physically or temporally associated with lack of stimulation, or events such as acute stressors or the expected arrival of food. All these environments may involve chronic conflict and frustration, and hence stress, particularly if uncontrollable or unpredictable. Other stereotypies are relatively independent of the current environment, but reflect a past challenge severe enough to have traumatic effects on the central nervous system. Thus, the acquisition of stereotypies indicates an environment that is probably inadequate, and as such, presumably aversive.
Please, show me your research on “melon bumping”, and any other repetitive, non beneficial behavior exhibited by these intelligent creatures. Please explain with proof how it’s not a negative behavior, and negative consequence of holding a killer whale captive.
I’m done with you.
I’m not going to find anything for you, I’m not giving you that luxury. You seem content to only acknowledge 10% of what i’m saying anyway, so why should i bother listening to what you have to say? If you want to, feel free to look into melon bumping yourself. I’m not going to waste my time finding sources for you and explaining why you’re wrong, because you won’t listen. You’d rather just sit and say I don’t care about the whales. Which makes me lose all desire for me to debate with you ever. Even those that disagree with my views know I care about these whales. We all fucking do.
I’m done with this conversation. I’m not wasting anymore energy on you. If any of my followers would like to, feel free. It’ll probably be a waste of their time, though. K